Posts by zen nudist

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HAS A CUCKOO LAID AN EGG IN YOUR BRAIN? (Ideas: whose are they?)

by Terry in

we are trying to use ideas to understand ideas themselves.

where do these ideas come from?

are your ideas your own?.

zen nudist

there is a test called Meyer-Briggs/Kersey type testing.... it divides people into 16 different groupings... while still a JW I took this test and came out an

ENTJ or Extrovert iNtuitive Thinker Judger my opposite would be Introvert Sensor Feeler Perceiver or ISFP. mixing and matching brings the other 14 types....

after ten years of not being a JW and changing a lot of things about how and why I do things, I still tested exactly the same.

which reinforces a study I recall regarding twins raised apart... the finding was that 50% of their personality was genetics [since they could not pin it on anything else] and 5% was direct influence by parents and 45% was life experience and especially ones peer group influences.

on a side note, I tried taking the test as if I were Jesus from the bible as best as I could imagine his answers to the questions and it came out to a type [I dont recall exactly which] that was very well suited to such things as a nurse, a doctor, a clergy man, etc.... as I was a JW at the time, my first thought was to realize that JWs, by trying to force all 16 types into just one type [having Jesus as our exemplar] was a sure fire way to cause 15 different types massive internal stress.

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Films/movies that resonate with Apostates

by Black Man in

jw
friends

there are a few films that i really connect with that sum up my j-dub experiences........ .

shawshank redemption: if you've ever "served time" at bethel, you can't help but connect with this film.

institutionalization, mental persecution and "andy dufrene crossing through 500 yards of shit, came out clean on the other side.

zen nudist

DOGMA

LIFE OF BRIAN

SAVED

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HAS A CUCKOO LAID AN EGG IN YOUR BRAIN? (Ideas: whose are they?)

by Terry in

we are trying to use ideas to understand ideas themselves.

where do these ideas come from?

are your ideas your own?.

zen nudist

it all sounds nice on paper but in the end all we have are our experiences and our beliefs about them and our uncanny ability to pretend otherwise.

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HAS A CUCKOO LAID AN EGG IN YOUR BRAIN? (Ideas: whose are they?)

by Terry in

we are trying to use ideas to understand ideas themselves.

where do these ideas come from?

are your ideas your own?.

zen nudist

No sense of beauty of proportion or symmetry is evident at all which would PERFORCE appear as a natural logical happening if the OMNI magazine article presented the view accurately.

instead of viewing the link I sent you, which by the way was another of the same sort of study

done in germany....you are pontificating, not much different from what you are warning about

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Were You Appalled When You First Saw "Life Of Brian"?

by Englishman in

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friends

there was so much hoo-hah prior to the films release, that i became ever determined to see it as soon as it hit town!.

the church leaders were up in arms about it, mary whitehouse became almost apoplectic, it was almost the end of civilisation as we knew it!.

well, we duly toddled off to see it.

zen nudist

I found it the most accurate portrail anyone is likely to make....and hallarious to boot

and my first thought watching it when I was just a non-JW learning, was to think that no one used the name Jehovah but these people knew it... I thought that was too funny and sad at the same time.

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HAS A CUCKOO LAID AN EGG IN YOUR BRAIN? (Ideas: whose are they?)

by Terry in

we are trying to use ideas to understand ideas themselves.

where do these ideas come from?

are your ideas your own?.

zen nudist

Helen Keller was born blind and mute from birth. She struggled like a mere animal until the intervention of a courageous teacher (through indefatigable effort) demonstrated time and again that THIS means THIS. (A hand-sign placed in her hand for shape MEANT or SIGNIFIED an object or word or deed.)

incorrect, she was born perfectly normal, she became blind and mute due to a childhood disease and she was able to connect to symbols from a sudden realization of something she vaguely remembered prior to this.

Incidentally, beauty, a sense of what it is for us, comes from what we value. Our values are informed by our ability to appraise according to a standard. We are NOT BORN with any standard of beauty. We develop its slowly by observing, listening, acting/reacting to things in our enviornment. That beauty is subjective is obvious. Were beauty an IDEAL it would be the same for all of us.

also incorrect, Omni Mag circa 1989 did a research study on beauty and found it was universally built into us and was defined by proportion and symmetry, other follow up studies have confirmed this.

http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/

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HAS A CUCKOO LAID AN EGG IN YOUR BRAIN? (Ideas: whose are they?)

by Terry in

we are trying to use ideas to understand ideas themselves.

where do these ideas come from?

are your ideas your own?.

zen nudist

the foundation of all thoughts is not experience, some are sort of built into us from whatever makes us human...

example, we have an inner template of beauty which automatically causes us to see some as beautiful and others as ugly without any thought on our part...it just presents them that way to us.... the leading theory is that it comes from genetic health detection.

but we accumulate other thoughts because of this... we often assume that beautiful people are desireable and beneficial to us and that ugly people should be shunned and avoided.... as they may harm our goals... and even if we learn by more experiences that this is not the case, it may still haunt the back of our thoughts as I admit it still does mine.

experiences alter what we believe but mostly because of how they interact with what we already believe... different ideas will take root or not depending on whats already growing as the parable of the seed and 4 types of soil in the bible very accurately [imho] shows.

testing everything is no easy thing to do, as we can only test beliefs against experiences and are often blind to our biases which make us have selective sight, often ignoring what we dont want to believe and enhancing any scrap of evidence for what we do want to be true.

many things seem easier in the negative....its easier to break something than to make it...its easier to spot a lie than a truth, as a misrepresentation that does not fit experiences is always easier to spot than a representation which seems to work because we are too ignorant to know that it has a fatal flaw in it... or when people misrepresent faith and belief as fact, its easier to spot as a lie then when they simply give opinion....

I could be wrong (^_^)

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Qu'ran beats the bible!

by DannyBloem in

for the speed of light:.

they commute to and from this preserved tablet to get their orders from god.

this is not the speed of light inside matter (example: speed of light in glass is 199,861.638 km/s; that is around 100,000 km/s slower than in vacuum).

zen nudist

what a crock of manure....

they go through great lengths to make the numbers fit... changing the figures whenever it suits them

example

they use 120000 cycles of the moon for 1000 years, which is false as anyone who knows about lunar calenders knows that you add 4 extra cycles every 19 years which makes 14526 not 12000.

but then later they use 365 days when the numbers suit them...and we all know its 365.24

so they fudge anything they like to make it fit... and then ask how could an illiterate 1400 years ago know X Y or Z....

there is still no evidence he did.

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OK so its 1931 - you have a loaded gun and Hitler is walking by...

by Qcmbr in

are you morally obligated to kill him?

what would you do?

zen nudist

for those into bible prophecies, if you really believe that the jews had to return PALESTINE, no other force would have worked to gather so many from all over the world as Hitler's attempt to rid all of europe of jews

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Does the Bible Have a Hidden Code?

by undercover in

from the wts website:.

bout two years after the assassination of israeli prime minister yitzhak rabin in 1995, a journalist claimed that with the assistance of computer technology, he had discovered a prediction of that event hidden in the original hebrew bible text.

the journalist, michael drosnin, wrote that he had tried to warn the prime minister over a year before the assassination but to no avail.. other books and articles have now been published claiming that this hidden code provides absolute proof of god's inspiration of the bible.

zen nudist

there is even a large book suggesting how the entire gospel of mark is written to be a huge numbers game

with many phrases being crafted to come out with certain special and holy number combinations